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Edward Snowden: Hero or Criminal?

Contact: Tom Stoelker
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David McCraw, Jonathan Capehart, and Amy Davidson discuss Snowden's fate.
Photo by Dan Creighton

On a day surprisingly full of news about Edward Snowden, Fordham Law's Center on National Security and PEN American Center added to the conversation on Jan. 23 by hosting a debate on the fugitive’s future.

The panel pitted competing views of The New Yorker journalist Amy Davidson against those of Jonathan Capehart of The Washington Post. David McCraw, assistant general counsel for The New York Times, moderated the discussion.

The debate took place within hours of Snowden's live Q&A on the website www.freesnowden.is, in which he directly addressed the question "Under what conditions would you agree to return to the U.S.?"  His answer: "The 100-year old law under which I have been charged . . . was never intended to be used against people working in the public interest, and forbids a public interest defense. This is especially frustrating, because it means there’s no chance to have a fair trial—and no way I can come home and make my case to a jury."

Conditions for Snowden’s return to the United States emerged as the primary focus of the evening's discussion. Coincidentally, earlier in the day politicians from both parties began to seriously consider negotiations, which some said should include clemency.

U.S. Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. said Snowden must plead guilty before any such negotiations could begin.

"We wouldn't be talking about clemency if he hadn't committed a crime," said Davidson, who noted that "pardon, clemency, and plea bargaining are not terms that we have to invent for this case."

But she also said “if we think there's benefit [to] interrogating him, then Moscow is not the best place to have him."

Capehart concurred that Snowden should return, but he was not warm to the idea of clemency, frequently repeating that the former government contractor must be held accountable. He said he had a hard time believing that there were not other channels available for Snowden to take the sensitive information—rather than the press. He specifically suggested members of Congress.

As it stands now, Capehart said, the federal government doesn't know what other information Snowden is in possession of, even though Snowden claims he has no other files.

"Shouldn't we be concerned about what happened when he was in Hong Kong and in the airport in Russia? And what those respective government officials did?" he asked.

Davidson argued that going to a government official or congressman likely would have prevented a national conversation on the National Security Administration's [NSA] overreach and illegal eavesdropping.

"If he'd immediately turned himself in, we wouldn't have heard a word he said about [his] motives," she said.

Panelists agreed that the 35-year prison sentence given to Chelsea Manning, the former Army private who released the largest set of government documents ever leaked, hovers over the Snowden affair. Davidson said that giving "slightly random young people" security access is just one of the many aspects of the case that suggests mismanagement on the part of the Congress.

"Congress failed and was failed [by the NSA] in terms of disclosure and oversight," said Davidson.

Panelists also noted that President Obama himself had acknowledged in The New Yorker that "legitimate policy questions" have been raised by the Snowden leaks. But the president questioned whether "giving some 29-year-old free reign to dump a mountain of information" was the best way to start the conversation. 

Davidson said the security breach reveals more than just policy concerns.

"[True], the NSA has compromised the Constitution, but more importantly they've been clumsy," she said. “And that’s good to know.”

View a video of the panel discussion here.

Founded in 1841, Fordham is the Jesuit University of New York, offering exceptional education distinguished by the Jesuit tradition to more than 15,100 students in its four undergraduate colleges and its six graduate and professional schools. It has residential campuses in the Bronx and Manhattan, a campus in West Harrison, N.Y., the Louis Calder Center Biological Field Station in Armonk, N.Y., and the London Centre at Heythrop College, University of London, in the United Kingdom.
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